Scott and PJ talk with Dr. Clay Scroggins about leveraging influence in your current role to see change and even how to do it when you have a challenging situation. This transparent conversation with Clay Scroggins is a must for second-chair leaders and pastors alike! Clay Scroggins graduated as an industrial engineer from GA Tech and has spent the last 20 years in the local church and can play Babylon by David Gray on guitar. His doctoral work was on "creating online environments for personal growth," and he speaks, writes, and creates resources full-time for emerging leaders. In this broadcast: • 1/3 of workers feel "engaged and inspired" by their leaders • 3 out of 4 pastors since 2020 report severe levels of stress • 40% have an intense conflict with a church member at least once a month • Scott talks with Clay about how do leaders lead when they don't have authority • Do you have to be the boss in order to lead? • Scott discusses there's something deeper and more profound than just being the leader • When do we challenge authority and still maintain relationships? • If you're not challenging, you're not leading whether you're in charge or not • How Shane, an operator of a Chick-fil-A in Athens starting to make milkshakes. He challenged his bosses and was strategic on how he promoted it. • Clay reminds us you can always lead yourself and have the ability to govern yourself • We have to choose positivity, the attitude you bring is more important than your ideas, education, etc. • Think critically but have to be careful to not be critical • Reject passivity to be in charge • Clay shares one of the reasons he chose to resign • Unpack "Great leaders lead like they are not in charge even though they are in charge" for our Bivocational and pastors engaged with our broadcast today. • You need to learn how to lead through influence, relationships, etc. • PJ shares about how the phrase "because I said so" in a staff meeting didn't work out so well • Clay: everyone wants respect- a better strategy of wanting respect is to be a respectable person • One of his great failures is thinking he understands the whole situation. "Maybe someone just stepped in some poop!" • Clay talks about his new book and how we need to develop into the kind of leaders that the future is demanding