In this broadcast, PJ and Bill Hull discuss why defining the Gospel is the starting point for disciple-making and how it connects to the life of Dietrich Bonhoeffer. We get to know Bill Hull a little more about how he has changed as a disciple-maker throughout his life. Bill is one of the most prolific writers on discipleship in our generation and has been a pastor for over 20 years and starting the Bonhoeffer Project. His books include the Discipleship Gospel, Jesus Christ Disciple Maker, and The Disciple-Making Pastor. In this episode, we discuss: • How 65% of pastors are satisfied with discipleship in their church, yet we see a decline in disciple-making in the SBC. • Bill's connection to David Letterman! • Why pastors rank relationships #7 in attributes of a growing disciple. • Lessons learned from Bill's extensive research on the life of Dietrich Bonhoeffer • Dietrich Bonhoeffer: "When Christ calls a man, he bids him come and die." • Dietrich Bonhoeffer: "We must be ready to allow ourselves to be interrupted by God." • Defining the Discipleship Gospel and what it means • "You can't make a Christlike disciple from a non-discipleship gospel." • Unpack how conversion and discipleship have to be connected to create disciple-making • PJ shares his early stages of disciple-making and how it has changed through the years • Bill talk about how he was influenced by Robert Collman and Dallas Willard • The impact of journaling a tool in disciple-making • "If we begin with a proper understanding of discipleship, we can then explain sanctification as living out discipleship." - Conversations & Discipleship, Bill Hull • "Are you treating disciple-making as if someone else has to pass the test for what you're learning?" • Bill's one do-over in life and one message with the world in one sentence